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Dundee Stars' Forum http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/ This is an XML content feed of; Dundee Stars' Forum : Last 10 Posts Thu, 17 May 2012 23:33:30 +0000 Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:37 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.69 10 www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/RSS_topic_feed.asp Dundee Stars' Forum http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/ Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44987#44987 Author: thedbf
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 17:48

I think the cost is the most significant factor in regards lower crowds, £15 is a lot of money for what is on offer IMO, where I believe if it was £12, numbers would increase. As for the coverage in the local papers, until they start giving it the same coverage as the other professional sports in the town, then nothing will change, cause at the moment it gets no more coverage than the local amateur football does.

Unfortunately, Ice Hockey won't sell many papers, where what happens at Dens and Tannadump probably does. As for awareness, thats a double edged sword, those who are interested know about it, those who don't, once they find out how much it costs to watch, won't be that keen to come anyway, so to summarise, the cost of entry IMO is the biggest factor. ]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:37 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44987#44987 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44986#44986 Author: rocketinthestars
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 17:44

Originally posted by david rennie

I can't come up with any ideas cause i'm no expert on marketing but we need someone WHO IS, involved with the club to go out there and make things happen.

This ^^^^

The club needs to spend some money on professional advertising and exposure.
]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 17:44:23 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44986#44986 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44985#44985 Author: david rennie
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 17:36

Interesting topic here.

So it appears there are 3 main reasons for the poor crowds:

1. Cost

2. Standard of play

3. Lack of awareness

Cost is obviously crucial - more so now than ever before. In the early BNL days entry was £8 for an adult, and the hockey on offer was a better standard than it is now plus there was the added bonus of a successful team. Add those two together and you were getting average crowds of 1600.

The hockey on offer these last two seasons hasn't been worthy of the £15 entry fee but the club does have costs which need to be met. The early bird season ticket takes the game price down to £12 per game - a realistic price, but not everyone can shell out £324 in one go, although you can pay in installments

The lack of awareness must be a concern. What are the club doing to combat this? The partnership with DFC is a good start and will hit an audience of 2000+ season ticket holders. The school visits don't appear to have worked, although I may be wrong. It was mentioned at the Forum in March that Stars need to look outwith Dundee - get out there in Forfar, Arbroath, Perth and all the surrounding areas. I know fans who come and watch the Stars from Montrose and even Aberdeen so there is a market there, but what are the club doing to get more? The Tele's exposure of the Stars has improved over the last season. Can more be done to utilise the two radio stations - Tay and WAVE?
I can't come up with any ideas cause i'm no expert on marketing but we need someone WHO IS, involved with the club to go out there and make things happen.

]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 17:36:12 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44985#44985 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44984#44984 Author: THEAIRHORN
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 15:42

I'd like to be able to go and watch the Stars again, but I just can't justify the cost anymore.
IMO, it's just too expensive for what's on offer.
I know its probably still cheaper than it is to go and watch an SPL game, and I know the owners have to try to balance their books somehow, but the only way we'd be tempted back again would be if admission costs were cut back to something more affordable, like £10 a game.
I don't see this ever happening, but I know a couple of others who used to go in the BNL days who think exactly the same thing Pinch

Just my opinion for what its worth Geek

]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 15:42:42 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44984#44984 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44983#44983 Author: larzo
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 11:25

Originally posted by The Newcomer

Originally posted by thedbf

Originally posted by jellybeano

Basically, put a successful team on the ice and the attendances will rise,

I think you will find that factually your comment above is rubbish.

A winning team doesn't rise crowds in itself, not if many people in Dundee are unaware we even have a Pro/semi-pro hockey team. Lost count the number of times I've mentioned the stars to other Dundonians too be greeted with blank looks Disapprove

Followed by the inevitable "So where do they play then?" question which leads to THIS, always this.

It is a sad fact that some of the Dundee public do not know where an ice hockey team would play

I know we've been here before we really do need to get back to basics and speculate to accumulate. The things that happened in the BNL to get crowds in need to be done again whether they have been done before or not. We have to remember we had 5 or 6 years without professional ice hockey and people may have lost interest. These people are the ones we need to get back into the rink]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 11:25:43 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44983#44983 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44982#44982 Author: rocketinthestars
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 11:20

Originally posted by The Newcomer

[QUOTE=thedbf]
A winning team doesn't rise crowds in itself, not if many people in Dundee are unaware we even have a Pro/semi-pro hockey team. Lost count the number of times I've mentioned the stars to other Dundonians too be greeted with blank looks Disapprove

Followed by the inevitable "So where do they play then?" question which leads to THIS, always this.

Part of this is that it gets terrible coverage in the local press. A backpage everynow and again or a real story about what is going on would be nice.

No disrespect to those in charge of PR at the club, but sometimes it feels like a junior football team with the lack of info/posters around town and press releases.

A buzz needs to be created around town and to date it's not really happening.
]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 11:20:05 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44982#44982 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44981#44981 Author: The Newcomer
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 17-05-2012 at 10:24

Originally posted by thedbf

Originally posted by jellybeano

Basically, put a successful team on the ice and the attendances will rise,

I think you will find that factually your comment above is rubbish.

Followed by the inevitable "So where do they play then?" question which leads to THIS, always this.
]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 10:24:13 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44981#44981 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44980#44980 Author: thedbf
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 16-05-2012 at 23:38

Originally posted by jellybeano

Basically, put a successful team on the ice and the attendances will rise,

I think you will find that factually your comment above is rubbish.
]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 23:38:59 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44980#44980 Stars Team Talk : Attandance question http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44979#44979 Author: jellybeano
Subject: Attandance question
Posted: 16-05-2012 at 20:54

It's sad to see the figures so low. But, to be brutally honest, it hasn't exactly been a successful 2 seasons in the Elite League so far, and I would go as far as to say that the hockey being dished up last season, particularly under Dan's leadership, was boring and uninteresting to the point of driving away the not-so-committed fans.

Basically, put a successful team on the ice and the attendances will rise, but to put a successful team on the ice you need the cash inflow from the larger crowds, so its a catch 22 situation in a way.

Maybe this season will be a 'fresh start' now that we'll be seeing a new coach in place (hopefully soon), and we can get a different style of hockey brought in that might actually be entertaining and exciting to watch. After the last 2 seasons it can only get better(?)

]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 20:54:28 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5861&PID=44979#44979 Club Meetings : Travel Club Meeting http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5862&PID=44978#44978 Author: Stars Travel Club
Subject: Travel Club Meeting
Posted: 16-05-2012 at 19:32

On Monday 25th June we will be giving all Stars fans the first opportunity to join the Travel Club for the 2012/13 season. This will then be followed by a Meeting to discuss the plans for the 2012/13 season, specifically Travel and player sponsorhip. We will have a full agenda available nearer the time.
We will also share the findings from the Travel Club survey which we expect to have available by this weekend.
If you have any questions beforehand, please just ask.]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 19:32:42 +0000 http://www.dundeestars.com/bulletinboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=5862&PID=44978#44978